Not been out all week me legs are still sore :( maybe Sunday I will be ok I hope. I think the 1hr running after the day after the Lakeland Loop was a bad idea lol.
Just a follow up on your previous post: Is the fat burner sessions in the evening before your tea? as that's when you would have low glycogen. If so when do you eat? because you don't eat when you get home from the evening ride only hydrate and there is no eating before the ride the next morning? What am I missing here?
What gels do you recommended? High5 seem good I have ordered a free sample pack from there website to try out some gels. I have used the Energy source sachets that mix with water from High5 before, 1 sachet 60g works out ok for a 1000ml bottle and the sachet fits ok in the pocket, perfect for the likes of the etape when only water may be available and you can't carry big tubs of powder about :)
Many training plans advocate a long run in the morning, prior to eating, hence stores "may" be lower.
I've tried a 40 mile morning commute and can confirm that you arrive completely knackered, and sufficiently hungry you could eat a scabby donkey.
Whilst this approach may condition me to burn more fat, I shall also be concentrating on cycling well within my max heart rate before the Tourmalet, and taking on calories in whatever form I can. That way I'm hoping to arrive at the bottom of the climb at lesat half full of glycogen.
My plan was to have : Lunch as normal. Evening meal at say 7. Long run 8pm-10pm No food just water afterwards. Cycle the next morning (6.30-9am) on empty stomach (and hopefully low glycogen)
So the morning cycle is the fat-burning session - the preceeding run session is more of a glycogen emptying session.
I haven't tried this week as I had a slight sniffle yesterday so didn't want to get ill again.
I'm going to use Maxim gels - 100grams containing 300kcals. Holland and Barrett sell them individually, but I'm going to get a box from wiggle at http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ProductDetail.aspx?Cat=cycle&ProdID=5360006541&N=Maxim%20Gel%20Box%20Of%2024%20100g%20Sachets
I have read that long steady rides 80 miles + in the Zone 2 60-80% MHR are good for burning fat, also good for getting the base miles in as well, but with this in mind after the winter I don't think this type of training is the way to go and there should be a focus on less duration but more intensity and building on that intensity? Whats your take on that guys ?
I have never seen any gels in H&B! strange it has everything else I can think of that I need, well worth a look I would think, H&B is a great shop that is overlooked by athletes like us.
I fancy doing something like your plan Gizza (sorry never seen your real name) it sounds good and makes sense.
I think for myself I have the miles in the legs its just about getting faster and taking the right foods to keep me going during the miles, hence I don't think at this stage that doing any 100 mile runs is the right way to go and that a 65-70 weekend run with the club and the 2 fast 1hr and 1 fast 2hr ride per midweek is the way to go?
Alec, Yes, I think my training is largely going to be like yours - 1 60-70 hard ride on a Sunday and some higher intensity hill work in the week (and maybe a fat burner too). I'm doing another sportive on June 8th (White Rose Classic). It is 110 miles with a lot of climbing - I did it last year in just under 8 hours. It is our local roads so a lot of people I know are doing it and it is an intermediate target for me. I will feel a lot more confident if I beat last years time.
I'm going to do another another 90 mile ride during May if I can fit it in.
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Not been out all week me legs are still sore :( maybe Sunday I will be ok I hope. I think the 1hr running after the day after the Lakeland Loop was a bad idea lol.
Just a follow up on your previous post: Is the fat burner sessions in the evening before your tea? as that's when you would have low glycogen. If so when do you eat? because you don't eat when you get home from the evening ride only hydrate and there is no eating before the ride the next morning? What am I missing here?
What gels do you recommended? High5 seem good I have ordered a free sample pack from there website to try out some gels. I have used the Energy source sachets that mix with water from High5 before, 1 sachet 60g works out ok for a 1000ml bottle and the sachet fits ok in the pocket, perfect for the likes of the etape when only water may be available and you can't carry big tubs of powder about :)
Alec.
Many training plans advocate a long run in the morning, prior to eating, hence stores "may" be lower.
I've tried a 40 mile morning commute and can confirm that you arrive completely knackered, and sufficiently hungry you could eat a scabby donkey.
Whilst this approach may condition me to burn more fat, I shall also be concentrating on cycling well within my max heart rate before the Tourmalet, and taking on calories in whatever form I can. That way I'm hoping to arrive at the bottom of the climb at lesat half full of glycogen.
My plan was to have :
Lunch as normal.
Evening meal at say 7.
Long run 8pm-10pm
No food just water afterwards.
Cycle the next morning (6.30-9am) on empty stomach (and hopefully low glycogen)
So the morning cycle is the fat-burning session - the preceeding run session is more of a glycogen emptying session.
I haven't tried this week as I had a slight sniffle yesterday so didn't want to get ill again.
I'm going to use Maxim gels - 100grams containing 300kcals. Holland and Barrett sell them individually, but I'm going to get a box from wiggle at http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ProductDetail.aspx?Cat=cycle&ProdID=5360006541&N=Maxim%20Gel%20Box%20Of%2024%20100g%20Sachets
I have read that long steady rides 80 miles + in the Zone 2 60-80% MHR are good for burning fat, also good for getting the base miles in as well, but with this in mind after the winter I don't think this type of training is the way to go and there should be a focus on less duration but more intensity and building on that intensity? Whats your take on that guys ?
I have never seen any gels in H&B! strange it has everything else I can think of that I need, well worth a look I would think, H&B is a great shop that is overlooked by athletes like us.
I fancy doing something like your plan Gizza (sorry never seen your real name) it sounds good and makes sense.
I think for myself I have the miles in the legs its just about getting faster and taking the right foods to keep me going during the miles, hence I don't think at this stage that doing any 100 mile runs is the right way to go and that a 65-70 weekend run with the club and the 2 fast 1hr and 1 fast 2hr ride per midweek is the way to go?
As ever good luck with the training guys.
Alec,
Yes, I think my training is largely going to be like yours - 1 60-70 hard ride on a Sunday and some higher intensity hill work in the week (and maybe a fat burner too).
I'm doing another sportive on June 8th (White Rose Classic). It is 110 miles with a lot of climbing - I did it last year in just under 8 hours. It is our local roads so a lot of people I know are doing it and it is an intermediate target for me. I will feel a lot more confident if I beat last years time.
I'm going to do another another 90 mile ride during May if I can fit it in.
Paul.
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